Comedian David Baddiel 明らかにする／漏らすs why he is taking on 大破壊／大虐殺 deniers in his new BBC 文書の

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David Baddiel is ユダヤ人の. His grandparents fled the Nazis in 1939 but lost people they loved to the gas 議会s. So it’s no wonder he felt disgust at having to shake the 手渡す of a man who 主張するs the 殺人 of millions of people never happened. ‘I 手配中の，お尋ね者 to be very upfront about how much I didn’t want to 会合，会う a 大破壊／大虐殺 denier,’ says the writer and comedian, who 受託するd the 迎える／歓迎するing ーするために film an interview for a new BBC 文書の but was visibly 乱すd. ‘There were a lot of emotions in 会合 him. I was very angry at bits of that interview and very exhausted after talking to him for a long time, three hours or more, with him 説 unbelievably 不快な／攻撃 things. I was like: “What the f*** am I doing here?”’

直面するing 大破壊／大虐殺 否定 With David Baddiel takes him to the former death （軍の）野営地，陣営s and to 会合，会う a 生存者, but it also puts him 直面する to 直面する with one of the rising number of people who say ? にもかかわらず all the 証拠 ? that the 大破壊／大虐殺 is a hoax

The answer is that this witty, versatile man who has been making us laugh and think for 30 years with his stand-up, 無線で通信する and television shows has now made a powerful and timely film. 直面するing 大破壊／大虐殺 否定 With David Baddiel takes him to the former death （軍の）野営地，陣営s and to 会合，会う a 生存者, but it also puts him 直面する to 直面する with one of the rising number of people who say ? にもかかわらず all the 証拠 ? that the 大破壊／大虐殺 is a hoax.

The man he met in Ireland has 7,000 信奉者s on Facebook. Seventy-five years after the 解放 of Auschwitz, history is 存在 forgotten or distorted and a new 世代 of online 行動主義者s are 地位，任命するing anti-semitic images and スローガンs along with 偽の facts and theories 十分な of lies about the 大破壊／大虐殺. Their 人気 has been 上げるd by the rise of far-権利 ideas across the world.

These people have some pretty extreme 信奉者s, don’t they? ‘Oh yes. I know that now. I have had さまざまな 雑談（する）s with 安全 people about it all. This programme will certainly lead to a lot of online 乱用. One can only hope it will not lead to anyone 現実に 脅すing me in real life,’ says Baddiel. ‘The programme is an 探検の／予備の essay about where we are, it doesn’t 申し込む／申し出 actual answers. What can I say? I very much hope that no one kills me as a result of it.’

He laughs, but sounds nervous. Is he taking the danger 本気で? ‘Yeah. Someone was killed. It’s in the programme. A 安全 guard at the 大破壊／大虐殺 museum in Washington was killed by an 88-year-old man. The guard was trying to help him inside, but then the old man just 発射 him. He was a 大破壊／大虐殺 denier. It’s so 驚くべき／特命の／臨時の. He was so furious that there was a museum to the 大破壊／大虐殺.’

Still, Baddiel is not about to 支援する 負かす／撃墜する. ‘I am someone who is going to say what I want to say. I am very 特権d to have a 壇・綱領・公約. Everyone is 脅すd on Twitter of 存在 told that they’ve got it wrong. That is a different type of 恐れる to this, which is: are you going to be killed by a lunatic? I take it 本気で. It is in the mix of my 恐れるs, but so far I have not let it stop me 説 stuff.’

Baddiel has an unusual, one-word profile on Twitter that just says: ‘Jew’. He has 647,000 信奉者s and is both witty and outspoken, いつかs breathtakingly so

Baddiel’s comedy has always been thought-刺激するing, even when he was 存在 daft と一緒に 略奪する Newman and then Frank Skinner in the Nineties. Lately he has written some hugely popular children’s 調書をとる／予約するs, 含むing The Parent 機関 and Birthday Boy, 同様に as the 攻撃する，衝突する film The Infidel starring Omid Djalili and Miranda Hart. But his work took a more personal, reflective turn with My Family: Not The Sitcom, a live show 調査するing his own history and his father Colin’s slide into dementia. And now comes a very funny new live show called Trolls: Not The Dolls, which turns the online 乱用 he gets into comedy and this 文書の, at a time when 統計（学） show anti-semitic 乱用 is on the rise in Britain.

Baddiel, 55, lives in north London with his wife Morwenna Banks, 58, and two children. Late last year （機の）カム the alarming sight of anti-ユダヤ人の graffiti sprayed on a synagogue and shop 前線s in Hampstead and Belsize Park. ‘I tweeted about how it was reminiscent of things my grandparents ran away from in their neighbourhood in Germany before the war. I know of 明確な／細部 images of the 星／主役にする of David and the word Jude 存在 painted like that on shops 支援する then.’

Baddiel in the poster for his new 小旅行する.?‘You can make a joke about any 支配する, it depends on the joke,’ 主張するs Baddiel

Baddiel has an unusual, one-word profile on Twitter that just says: ‘Jew’. He has 647,000 信奉者s and is both witty and outspoken, いつかs breathtakingly so. When Richard Dawkins’s mother died he tweeted to his fellow atheist: ‘Sorry to hear that Richard. She is of course not in a better place.’ Now he wonders if he went too far. But it still raises a laugh i n his new stand-up 小旅行する.

We’re talking at the Arts 倉庫・駅 in Finchley, north London, where Baddiel is 準備するing for a warm-up show. It’s based on his adventures on Twitter, 含むing 直面するing the likes of Katie Hopkins and getting a very funny, very rude 返答 from Hugh 認める to a tweet about insomnia. There are also examples of the 指名するs he gets called ? which can’t be repeated here ? that he says are hurtful. Getting trolled in this way has 現実に changed his comedy. ‘When I was younger I used to attack people more. Maybe I shouldn’t have done that, maybe my 返答 was disproportionate. We are all 脅すd now. No one says anything public without looking over their shoulder and wondering, Have I said something wrong? Am I going to get in trouble?’

Not that this has stopped him making merciless fun of his online 対抗者s, so have any of them ever challenged him in real life?

‘I’ve met a lot of people who follow me on Twitter but I’ve never met anyone who has trolled me. I think it is やめる hard to be as angry and abusive 直面する to 直面する as it is online. But my 恐れる is that as we get more and more normalised to 乱用 online, it will start spreading away from the 審査する. People will be angrier and more violent and more horrible to each other in real life, which is happening now.’

Where does his compulsion to speak out come from? ‘I have an 問題／発行する, which is that I am on-the-spectrum honest. I know that sounds self-aggrandising but I don’t mean it that way. I find it very difficult to 嘘（をつく）. I also very rarely 監視する what I am 説 before I say it. I 支配（する）／統制する that better now, but on Twitter いつかs I don’t. M ost of what I say I can 正当化する, but not all of it. It comes from my dad. He is a much more 積極的な person than me. I see in my dad a no-nonsense, 強健な 態度 to life. There’s a bit in my Trolls stand-up about him ? he is much more “male” than me.’

Former 囚人s celebrate the 解放 of the Dachau 集中 （軍の）野営地，陣営 in April 1945

David Baddiel at the 大破壊／大虐殺 Mem orial Museum in Washington DC for his new BBC 文書の

How is his father doing these days? ‘He is still with us. Only just, really. He’s not 広大な／多数の／重要な. The other day, as part of his not-greatness, one of his 注目する，もくろむs started to droop. It’s not a 一打／打撃, it’s not a palsy, we don’t really know what it is. So the carer took him to hospital. While he was there a junior doctor was （電話線からの）盗聴 away at the 注目する，もくろむ and asked him: “Is that painful?” My dad said: “If you carry on it will be!”’

I laugh and he says: ‘That’s amazing, because there are only shreds of him left, but what is left of my dad is this really blokey banter thing, which is so him.’

Baddiel’s wife Morwenna has spotted it in him. There’s a moment in the new stand-up show where he 解任するs her asking him: ‘Is there any chance you could say the SECOND thing that comes into your mind?’

Morwenna is a comedian and voiceover artist best known for 存在 Mummy Pig in the children’s 風刺漫画 series Peppa Pig. ‘I have very often done the joke: “My wife is Mummy Pig. That’s 複雑にするd, for a ユダヤ人の bloke.” It always gets a laugh. But she is very different from me in many ways. 顕著に, she is utterly 私的な and doesn’t really like me talking about her, which I am doing now. She sort of won’t 認める that we are married most of the time!’

He smiles, having been with Morwenna for more than 20 years. Family is 明白に really important to him in his 中央の-50s, but as social マスコミ amplifies the 恐れるs and 混乱 of the world, where else does he find his own 身元 and 安全 in life?

‘井戸／弁護士席, there is a good answer and a 乱すd answer. The good answer is that I am very me. I am relentlessly, wearily me. I find it 深く，強烈に 乱すing to move an iota away from myself. That 許すs me to feel 自然に very grounded in a world that is 転換ing all the time.’

And what’s the 乱すd answer? ‘The 乱すd 見解／翻訳／版 is that no, I いつかs feel very anxious and worried and “what the f***’s going on?” I used to be more 確かな of how we as a 種類 were 進歩ing very slowly 上向きs, but now I don’t think that at all.’

David Baddiel with his father, Colin, and brother, Ivor, in his 文書の about Colin’s dementia, The Trouble With Dad

When he first became famous in the Nineties there was a 広大な／多数の／重要な spirit of 楽観主義 around, finding a 主題 tune in the song he and Frank Sinner wrote for the Euro 96 tournament Three Lions, with the 差し控える: ‘Football’s coming home.’ But those heady days seem a long way off now. ‘People who lived through the Nineties after the Berlin 塀で囲む （機の）カム 負かす／撃墜する thought: “We’ve done it. We’ve got through the 絶対の s*** of all that war and all that terror.” Then we created 科学（工学）技術 that made everyone hate each other and not know what truth is.’

He’s talking about the internet but smiles to himself. ‘The weird thing about that is that I am （麻薬）常用者d to it. It 料金d a narcissistic need in me to have an audience at all times. You do a joke, you get lots of likes, lots of retweets, lots of people joining in. So that’s brilliant and that’s nice, 一般に.’ It’s not just about the jokes, though. ‘The narcissism is that I think I’ve got something important to say. So all that is fed by social マスコミ and not always in a good way.’

He also knows that Twitter can be uplifting, and his new show celebrates that, such as when he asked his 信奉者s to send messages of support to his brother Dan, who was struggling with life. They did so in droves. ‘The show 認めるs the 上昇傾向 ? it finds community and 慰安 in social マスコミ 同様に as the awful things.’

But Baddiel also uses it to point things out that he doesn’t like. When Jeremy Corbyn last year mispronounced Jeffrey Epstein, the 罪人／有罪を宣告するd abuser friend of Prince Andrew, as ‘Ep-shteen’ rather than the 訂正する ‘Ep-steen’, Baddiel tweeted: ‘Every Jew noticed that.’

The 労働 leader was already 存在 （刑事）被告 of anti-semitism. ‘I got trolled enormously by the Left but a very 目だつ ユダヤ人の 新聞記者／雑誌記者 direct-messaged me すぐに and said: “絶対, why doesn’t he just say ――.” They 挿入するd something very 明白に unsuitable for this conversation, but the point was the amplification of Epstein’s Jewishness by 説 ‘Ep-schhh-teen’. That 絶対 may not have been what Jeremy Corbyn meant. I am 全く behind the idea that that was not at the 前線 of his mind, but everybody noticed it.’

Does he think Corbyn is anti-semitic? ‘No, an anti-semite is someone who believes Jews are evil, that Jews 支配（する）／統制する the world and that they are also vermin. He doesn’t think those things at all. But he is part of a discourse which ? at a time o f 激しい 身元 politics ? has not 含むd Jews in the 保護s that the Left 申し込む／申し出s. That has an anti-semitic 影響.’

Is it possible to make any jokes about the 大破壊／大虐殺? ‘You can make a joke about any 支配する, it depends on the joke,’ 主張するs Baddiel, who has even done so in a tweet: ‘[The author] Devorah Baum told a joke about how a 生存者 dies, goes to heaven, tells God a 大破壊／大虐殺 joke. God says: that’s not funny. The 生存者 says: Ah, 井戸／弁護士席 ? I guess you had to be there.’ Baddiel also 追加するd a comment straight from his atheist heart: ‘That’s a beautiful joke. Because, of course, he wasn’t.’

There’s no 疑問ing that this is personal. ‘My grandparents didn’t talk that much about the war but I once asked Grandma if she had any brothers or sisters. She について言及するd my Uncle Joe, who I knew, but then said: “I had another brother, but you will have to ask Mr Hitler what happened to him.”’

Some 選挙運動者s have 勧めるd him not to give 大破壊／大虐殺 deniers publicity by taking them on, but he says they already get plenty on the web. ‘広大な／多数の／重要な lies have 力／強力にする and they spread quicker than ever. It’s out of 支配（する）／統制する. I don’t know whether 直面するing it is going to work. No 疑問 you change very few of those deniers’ minds. But I do think there are a lot of people who just don’t know much about this culture of 否定 and I would rather they were forewarned: “Here is the truth and here are the lies.”’

Any 疑問s about whether he was doing the 権利 thing faded away, he says, when he met the 生存者 Rachel 徴収する. She was 14 when the Nazis 輸送（する）d her to Auschwitz with her family. 涙／ほころびs flowed as she told him how her mother and her little siblings 老年の ten, eight and two were taken away すぐに to be killed in the gas 議会.

‘I loved 会合 Rachel. It was really important to be able to speak to someone who is 水晶 （疑いを）晴らす. Sh e 会談 about these incredible things as if they were yesterday. I don’t know how any 大破壊／大虐殺 denier could watch that and say: “She’s lying.”’

While you can joke about anything, says Baddiel, some truths are not negotiable.?

David Baddiel’s new stand-up 小旅行する ‘Trolls: Not The Dolls’ runs until May: davidbaddiel.com. ‘直面するing 大破壊／大虐殺 否定’ with David Baddiel is coming later this month on BBC2

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