BEL MOONEY: Should I give up my freedom to be ¶á¤Å¤¯ my grandkids?
?Dear Bel,
I¡Çm standing at a ½½»úÏ©¡¿´ôÏ© wondering which way to go, and would welcome your input.
I¡Çm 64 and have lived in this area for more than 30 years, having raised my three children here.
Although I live alone, I am never lonely and have plenty friends and social ÀÜ¿¨¤¹¤ës.
Since the girls left home, I have enjoyed a life ²òÊü¤¹¤ë¡¿¼«Í³¤Ê from the °µÎÏs of child ¸åÉôing, and am ´¶¼Õ¤¹¤ë every day for my good health and the independence my car gives me.
My eldest daughter lives 40 miles away and I have Àµµ¬¤Î¡¿ÀµÁª¼ê ÀÜ¿¨¤¹¤ë with her and my granddaughter (now nearly grown up).
My second daughter lives abroad with her three children and I visit them once a year.
My youngest daughter now thinks it would be a ¹Âç¤Ê¡¿Â¿¿ô¤Î¡¿½ÅÍ×¤Ê idea if I moved 180 miles south to live ¶á¤Å¤¯ her and her husband and their two children, who are six and eight.
She ºîÉÊ ½½Ê¬¤Ê-time and her husband is the main child-carer. He does ž´¹ work when he can, usually when his parents (who also live away) go to visit them, or when my daughter has a ½µËö off. (His parents are ¼êÅϤ¹s-on with the grandchildren in a way that I am not, much as I love them.)
She has ¶¯Ä´d that they are not looking for a ¡Ænanny¡Ç and wouldn¡Çt take advantage, because she realises I have a ½½Ê¬¤Ê life.
We both understand that I wouldn¡Çt mind having the children, say once a week after school for tea, or Îà»÷¤Î.
I also wouldn¡Çt mind ¸ºß an ¶ÛµÞ cover for them.
In ¿·µ¬²ÃÆþ, she has also made it ¡Êµ¿¤¤¤ò¡ËÀ²¤é¤¹ that once the children reach Â裲°Ì school age (say in six years or so), should a house mo ve become necessary for them, then they would do this, although they wouldn¡Çt ¿äÄꤹ¤ë¡¿Í½ÁÛ¤¹¤ë that to be more than 20 miles from where they live now.
I have at least a year to think about this as financially I couldn¡Çt go before I retire in the spring of 2021.
I¡Çm tempted to take this step as it¡Çs my last chance to have my grandchildren living ¤Î¶á¤¯¤Ë. It¡Çs such a momentous ·èÄ꡿ȽÄ꾡¤Á¡Ê¤¹¤ë¡Ë that I would love to hear your thoughts.
VALERIE
This week Bel advises a grandmother about moving 180 miles to be nearer her daughter and grandchildren, ²Ã¤¨¤ë a woman who dreads old age with her husband?
A few weeks ago (July 20), I featured a letter from Hilda headlined ¡ÆI ¶²¤ì¤ë uprooting my life for a new man¡Ç.
Hilda¡Çs chap (78) was ÀâÆÀ¤¹¤ëing her to sell up and move to his place. I counselled against it, for ¤µ¤Þ¤¶¤Þ¤Ê ¿äÏÀ¤¹¤ë¡¿Íýͳs ¡ ½ and she wrote afterwards to thank me, Àâ she knew I was ¸¢Íø.
Now here¡Çs another question about moving ¡½ and once again I¡Çm unconvinced.
You ¸½ºß¤Î a Ëþ¤µ¤»¤ëing picture of a ¼Â¹Ô¤¹¤ëd woman in her 60s, still working, enjoying life, socialising as much as she wishes, loving her independence.
I¡Çd like you to be an inspiration for women who believe the only thing that makes life ²ÁÃ͡ʤ¬¤¢¤ë¡Ë living is having a partner. Today¡Çs second letter is a sad antidote to that romantic ¸«²ò¡Ê¤ò¤È¤ë¡Ë.
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I can see that your young daughter¡Çs suggestion is ¹µÁÊ¡¤¾å¹ðing on many levels ¡½ and it sounds as if you and she have talked it through carefully.
My ľ´¶Åª¤Ë ÊÖÅú is that, yes, it could indeed be fun to be ¶á¤Å¤¯ enough to see a lot of those children ¡½ now at an Íø±×¡¿¶½Ì£ing age.
Yet you make it ¡Êµ¿¤¤¤ò¡ËÀ²¤é¤¹ that you don¡Çt see yourself as a ¼êÅϤ¹s-on granny ¡½ because your own life is too important to you. The trouble is, that wonderful ¡Æ½½Ê¬¤Ê life¡Ç your daughter ǧ¤á¤ës would surely be ¸·¤·¤¯ curtailed by a move, since you¡Çd be leaving behind the social life and good friends you value so much.
No »öÊÁ how much we love our adult children, it¡Çs ɬ¿Ü¤Î to realise they must (and will) lead their own lives ¡½ and that can ȼ¤¦¡¿´Ø¤ï¤ë leaving you behind (again, see Christina¡Çs letter below).
What if they decide to move ¤½¤Î¾å¤Î than 20 miles away in six years¡Ç time? How can anybody know they won¡Çt?
I worry about you making the ·ãÊÑ and leaving everything you enjoy behind ¡½ only to feel lonely and left behind yourself.
Of course, it could all work °æ¸Í¡¿ÊÛ¸î»ÎÀÊ. Have you discussed it with the daughter who lives nearest to you? How °æ¸Í¡¿ÊÛ¸î»ÎÀÊ do you get on with the youngest daughter and her husband? Would you have the means (I realise this is a long ȯ¼Í) to buy two small ½êÍʪ¡¿»ñ»º¡¿ºâ»ºs, one where you are now and one ¶á¤Å¤¯ your daughter?
Or is there a Ãϸµ¤Î friend from whom you could rent a bedroom when you retire, so as to keep a base in the ¾ì½ê you love?
You need to discuss this with all three daughters, and listen to your friends ƱÍͤË. You have a year, so Ä´ºº¤¹¤ë all the ÁªÂòs.?
I dread old age with my husband
?Dear Bel,
I think I have been depressed for many, many years, but have somehow managed to surmount it and keep going by working hard and ¸ºß ȼ¤¦¡¿´Ø¤ï¤ëd with people.
Now, however, I feel broken and ÇÔËÌ¡¦É餫¤¹d. I¡Çm 70 and unhappily married. I have no siblings or family, one daughter and three grandchildren I love dearly.
My marriage was a mistake from the start. My husband seems incapable of emotion, so we have never had a ´Ø·¸. I ÀßΩ¤¹¤ë that even harder than the ·çÇ¡¡Ê¤¹¤ë¡Ë of sex ¡½ we ¹Á¡¿ÈòÆñ½ê¡Çt ³ôd a bedroom for 30 years.
He¡Çs not ¸Î°Õ¤Ë unkind, but appears to be locked in an emotional º½Çù with no empathy or self-ǧ¼±¡¿°Õ¼±À. I have tried so many ways to get through to him, ´Þ¤àing wondering if he is autistic, but he doesn¡Çt appear to fit the ´ð½à as he is very sociable.
He does nothing at home ¡½ I¡Çm a drudge. I can¡Çt ½Ï»ë¤¹¤ë¡¿½Ï¹Í¤¹¤ë a move, as I need space to escape to. Living in ¤Î¶á¤¯¤Ë £´È¾´ü/4ʬ¤Î1s would be insufferable. I dread growing old with him.
As an only child, my lovely daughter became my world. Two years ago she told me they were going abroad for her husband¡Çs ¿¦¶È, but just for two years. Now it seems they ¡¼¤¹¤ë¤Ä¤â¤ê¤Ç¤¢¤ë to stay longer.
CHRISTINA
?Your uncut email gave many ¾ÜºÙ¡Ê¤Ë½Ò¤Ù¤ë¡Ës I¡Çve omitted ¡½ and left me feeling terribly sad ƱÍÍ¤Ë as rather helpless.
I think there are many marriages like yours, where one person feels intolerably 櫤ˤ«¤±¤ë and can see no way out. In such circumstances the advice I might give ¡½ going for couple counselling ¡½ is pointless. How could you get a man like that to agree when he sees nothing wrong?
All the counselling you have had in the past served only to ǼÆÀ¤µ¤»¤ë you this marriage is a ·ºÌ³½ê¡¤¹´ÃÖ½ê and you are doomed to remain incarcerated.
The first ÊÖÅú to your story is that you should put the house on the market and buy something for yourself with your half of the money. But that¡Çs not going to happen, is it? Your husband is older and I ·ùµ¿¼Ô¡¤ÍƵ¿¼Ô¡¿µ¿¤¦ you would never leave ¡½ no, not even if a ²¯ËüĹ¼Ô ¡Êµ¡¤Î¡Ë¥«¥à along and ¿½¤·¹þ¤à¡¿¿½¤·½Ðd you the necessary ´ð¶âs.
At this ¹Ô¤¦¡¿³«ºÅ¤¹¤ë¡¿Ãʳ¬ you are locked into your ÉԷʵ¤. Your suicidal thoughts, Ͷȯ¤¹¤ë¡¿°ú¤µ¯¤³¤¹d by your beloved daughter¡Çs ·×²è¡Ê¤¹¤ë¡Ës, are very worrying. You can call the Samaritans (²òÊü¤¹¤ë¡¿¼«Í³¤Ê of ¹ðȯ¡Ê¤¹¤ë¡Ë¡¤¹ðÁʡʤ¹¤ë¡Ë¡¿ÎÁ¶â) day or night on 116 123. Or Ãí¤° out your feelings in an email to jo@samaritans.org if that feels easier.
It¡Çs ¡Êµ¿¤¤¤ò¡ËÀ²¤é¤¹ your daughter¡Çs news has Ͷȯ¤¹¤ë¡¿°ú¤µ¯¤³¤¹d a much worse onset of your habitual ÉԷʵ¤. Do you have Ãù¶â? Can you visit her? It¡Çs a long way but surely you need to talk to her and see those grandchildren? You have been very ¤Î¶á¤¯¤Ë; now is the time to use that emotional ´Ø·¸ and be honest with her about how you are feeling.
I think you should Ä´½ñ¤ò¤È¤ë¡¿Í½Ì󤹤ë a ·×²è¡Ê¤¹¤ë¡Ë ticket and p resent it to your husband as a fait accompli . . . telling him you are very É餫¤¹¡¿·âÄƤ¹¤ë and need the trip. He will fuss (after all, he¡Çll be losing his ¹ñÆâ¤Î slave) but you must stand up for yourself.
Why not go to your GP and ask for ¼£ÎÅ for ÉԷʵ¤?
People can, and do, make new starts in later life. There¡Çs no µ¿Ìä it would have been better had you walked away from the marriage after your daughter was born (an event to which he was indifferent) but you stayed ¡Æfor her sake¡Ç.
I¡Çm sure you¡Çve regretted it many times, so it¡Çs fruitless to dwell on that mistake. But be sure you don¡Çt make another one. Your daughter would (I¡Çve no µ¿Ìä) ´«¤á¤ë you to go on living ¡Æfor her sake¡Ç ¡½ and I ask you to consider that she may return to the UK and you will be able to see how your grandchildren develop.
In other words, there is always hope. Yes, hope may be a sad, bedraggled bird sitting on a bough (as imagined the poets Emily Dickinson and Thomas Hardy), yet it is never too late to raise your Ĺ¡¤Î¨¤¤¤ë and listen to its song.
?And Finally....This caked-on choice makes me so °Å¤¤¡¿Í¥¤¦¤Ä¤Ê
?Do you ever become tired of too much stuff? Wanting mascara, I went to Boots as usual, but walked away empty- ¼êÅϤ¹d. There were so many mascaras, all Ìó«ing different ´ñÀØs, that I lost Íø±×¡¿¶½Ì£ and gave up.
I spend little on cosmetics ¡Ä but then, I¡Çm from that À¤Âå which remembers mascara in only one form: a little Éõº¿¤¹¤ë with a ¾®¾×ÆÍ.
The technique could be summed up as ¡Æspit?rub-daub¡Ç ¡½ and honestly, it did us just ȳ¶â. Eyeliner was the same. I can only remember there ¸ºß one type of lipstick, instead of the myriad ones on displa y these days ¡½ a multi-coloured ʼ´ï¸Ë of ËâË¡ ÃÆ´Ýs. Who needs them all?
My gorgeous mother used Ponds cream and Cr?me Puff and I can remember the subtle fragrances ¡½ like the Evening In Paris scent which seemed the ¹â¤µ of sophistication to a little girl in the Fifties, those easily pleased days when bath cubes were an exciting ¸½ºß¤Î.
Yes, they were simpler times, and I ¼Âह¤ë to believe the human spirit was stunted by having ¤è¤ê¾®¿ô¤Î À½ÉÊs to choose from. We weren¡Çt endlessly browbeaten by À½Â¤¶È¼Ôs telling seductive lies about wrinkles, but made do and were ´¶¼Õ¤¹¤ë.
µö¤¹ this sudden ʨ¤Î©¤Ä of nostalgia. I was ¡ÆͶȯ¤¹¤ë¡¿°ú¤µ¯¤³¤¹d¡Ç by damn mascara!
But it¡Çs a melancholy truth that many young women today seem to want nothing more than to ãÀ®¤¹¤ë big brows, silly trout-pouts, ¤Ò¤É¤¯ ¡Æcontoured¡Ç ľÌ̤¹¤ës, glowering ÃíÌܤ¹¤ë¡¤¤â¤¯¤í¤à-¡ÊÉÔ¤ʤɤò¡ËÊ䤦 and ÃèÊ֤꡿˽Í¤ëing hair ¡½ Àµ³Î¤Ë¡¿¤Þ¤µ¤Ë like every reality TV wannabe. Their world of choice has turned them into identikit Stepford chicks.
Believe me, I¡Çm not anti-choice. How could I be, when I remember the empty ê¾å¤²¤Ë¤¹¤ës of Russia and Romania? Yet when I think of all the »ñ¸»s that go into making yet more shampoos and ¤Ë¤ï¤«±« gels ¡½ all in plastic ÉÓ¡¿Éõ¤¸¹þ¤á¤ës, all doing the same ¿¦¶È ¡½ I feel °Å¤¤¡¿Í¥¤¦¤Ä¤Ê.
We don¡Çt need it all ¡½ and it¡Çs the greedy ²¾Äê¡¿°ú¤¼õ¤±¤ë¤³¤È that we do that stunts the soul.
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